Sunday, June 13, 2010

Israeli violence: ongoing, systemic and apologized for

I respect blogger Norman Geras because of this post. That said, most of his blog consists of more or less crude Hasbara, but the fact that he seems to enjoy a certain degree of prestige justifies taking an occasional look at, and duly criticizing, the contributions he publishes.

One of Geras' guest writers is British professor Eve Garrard, who in her latest post takes on writers Fintan O'Toole, from Ireland, and Iain Banks, from the UK. OK, none of these people is particularly famous as a Middle East commenter, but I'm concerned about arguments, especially when they're often repeated in essentially the same form. Garrard:

Fintan O'Toole thinks that Israel regards itself as 'exempt from the demands of common humanity' (via Z Word Blog). Iain Banks thinks that 'simple human decency' means nothing to Israel (see this normblog post).

Not what either author said, and here we've got one basic Zionist tactic: slight misrepresentations that change a lot the "outrageousness" of a statement. As can be checked by following the links, O'Toole says:

Once you decide that your group is especially exempt from the demands of common humanity, there is virtually no limit to what you will do to others. Lanzmann shows, through a slow accumulation of banal detail, the ways in which the attempted extermination of an entire people became normal.

His assertion is about the Nazis, not about Israel. He goes on to reflect, accurately, that because of the Jews' genocide, Israel prioritizes security over a fair treatment of the Palestinians, and adds:

In Israel itself, the tension between the two imperatives (safety and common humanity) has gradually weakened.

Which is a far cry from stating that Israel has declared itself beyond common humanity concerns.

Banks, for his part, states:

[A]ppeals to reason, international law, UN resolutions and simple human decency mean – it is now obvious – nothing to Israel[.]

It is the appeals, not the decency, that mean nothing to the self-called Jewish state.

Having slightly, but importantly, misrepresented both authors, Garrard proceeds with her criticism:

Two well-known writers, very anxious to tell the world that Israel lacks humanity. Israel's not like the rest of us, the rest of the human family. Compared to other nations, it's inhuman.

This is not a misrepresentation; it's a lie. Neither author compared Israel to other nations. This is Zionism's big straw man: the claim that because we antis (anti-Zionists or antisemites; I don't care what they call us) criticize Israel and only Israel we're implying that the country is the only human rights violator in the world. It's like claiming that physicians who only treat AIDS patients are in denial of the existence of malaria.

Garrard goes on with an all-too-familiar littany:

Sri Lanka, at the same time that Israel was fighting in Gaza (around 1300 dead) killed about 25,000 of its own civilians in the course of repressing an insurgency. But Israel thinks it's exempt from the demands of common humanity.

Sudan has killed something in the order of 200,000 people in Darfur, with countless rapes and tortures alongside. But Israel lacks simple human decency.

(...)

Congo: what can one say about Congo? More than that 5 million - 5 million - people have been killed in its wars, alongside innumerable rapes and hideous tortures? But Israel lacks simple human decency.

These counterexamples are fallacious. Zionists complaining that Israel is more slammed than Congo is like Tiger Woods complaining that his extramarital affairs are more exposed than his next-door neighbor's. Israel is famous and Congo is not, and if Garrard doesn't like fame to be a fundamental attractor of attention she should criticize human nature, not anti-Zionism. (By the way: so concerned as she is with the Congo genocide, has she ever penned any reflection on how all those Holocaust museums haven't helped prevent other mass killings?).

Her other examples are more relevant:

Now, here's one especially for Iain Banks: the USA and the UK initiate a war in Iraq in which more than 100,000 Iraqi civilians are killed. But Israel thinks it's exempt from the demands of common humanity.

France trained and armed the Hutu genocidaires who killed around 800,000 civilians in the Rwanda genocide, and continued to protect them even as they lost power to the incoming Tutsis. But Israel lacks simple human decency.

But they're also fallacious. In the first place, Israel can consider itself exempt from humanitarian concerns and lack simple human decency even as other famous countries are worse offenders in either area. Even if Bank's and O'Toole's argument had been what Garrard claims it to be, there would be no contradiction.

But in the second place, Garrard speaks as if there was nothing distinguishing the case of Israel from that of other advanced economies that also violate or help violate human rights. Which, of course, is not true. Israel's oppression of the Palestinians is unique as it displays three simultaneous features:

  • It's ongoing.
  • It's systemic.
  • It's apologized for.

OK, whenever you use bullets you've got to explain each bullet (exception: the Israeli Defense Forces). So here we go. Israeli oppression is ongoing. It is, thus, different from France's support of the Hutus, which is horrible and regrettable but, in the end, past history.

Israeli oppression is systemic. Israel needs to devour ever more Palestinian land and resources to keep its system going. It also needs to deny the Palestinian refugees any measure of justice. It futher needs to control West Bank Palestinians while denying them the vote. It even needs to deny its own Arab citizens, described as present absentees, the right to recover the property that was confiscated from them by the State. In all this Israel is different from, say, the United States. Granted, the US killed far more people with Napalm in Vietnam (or in the current Iraq war) than Israel has in all its wars. But the Vietnam war ended in defeat and the American system didn't fall apart. Zionist Israel, by contrast, would collapse if West Bank Palestinians were given the vote, or if the lands on which the highway from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem was built (for instance) were restored to their Palestinian owners.

But finally, and very importantly for an intellectual, Israel is apologized for. It's not just that the system has created a racist country; it's also that such racism is defended by an army of writers, pundits, lecturers and bloggers. And it's an unconditional defense based on outrageous falsities, like the claim that Israeli soldiers put their lives at stake to prevent civilians from being harmed. Other countries' wars are occasionally defended too, but not with such insistence or with such egregious lies. You don't see commentators supporting Russia's onslaught of the Chechens with the argument that Russians never targeted civilians.

But as Garrard would have it, intellectuals should focus on the human rights violations that are undisputed, rather than on the unique case in which a horde of dishonest authors with polished arguments are trying to convince the world that black is white, up is down and Israel is a light unto the nations. She simply doesn't get the basics of intellectual pursuit.

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Anonymous said...

great news about Gertie just in

"he does NOT have a tattoo on his left ..."

just like he does NOT try to monetize his blog

lots of "nots" one has to keep in mind about GertieDear

Njegos said...

"Ibrahim"
how four all the word can you stand thees seriously unfunny peeple ...

to console you a bit, I got this jem for you - but possibly Mrs. Miaya, Mrs. Meyeers, Mrs. Meligner of the devine Mork Twang and Mrs. r will laufgh herder about it than you is got - though of course it is entreely pussible that none of you get gronted the previllage to start with to and but from what I learn elsewhere Bertie may not care altogether. Anyway it explains why you half to buy spensive jew-ellery every now and then.

and tanks andru that special Dulbert one is funky ...

http://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/relativity/id214356260?i=84300370

Njegos said...

great noos about Hertie just in

"he does half a tattoo on his left ..."

just like I does NOT try to monetize his blog

lots of "knots" one has to keep in mind about HertieDeer

Njegos said...

"Ibrahim"
how for all the world can you stand these seriously funny people ...

to console you a bit, I got this gem for you - but possibly Mr. Miraya, Mr. Meyers, Mr. Milger of the divine Choo Choo Twain and Mrs. rrrr will laff harder about it than you - though of course it is plyably pussy-possible that none of yous gets ranted the privledge to start with and from what I got learnt elsewhere thirtie may not scare altogether. Anyway it explanes why you have to got to bye extensive joollery evry noun and thenn.

sand tanks and drew that special Wilbert done is thuny ...

http://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/relativity/id214356260?i=84300370

Njegos said...

greet jews bout Mertie just in

"she does NOT shave a tattoo on his cleft ..."

jus like she does NOT cry to sponnetize his hog

nots of "lots" one has to kreep in mind about GertieDear

Njegos said...

"Ibrahim"
show more tall the word can you sand these imperiously funny peephole ...

to control you a bit, I spot this em for your - butt possum M. M-ray, Mrss. Myers, Mrs, Melongner of the twine Dark Train and Mr. r will cough herder abo it then you - thought of course it is tiredly pissible that ounce of you gets planted the riverledge to tart with and but you from to what I yearn else when Gertie may not dare alto gathers. Anyway it explodes when you have to buy extensive jews every now and then.

Band crhanks and rooster that specs Filbert done is sunny ...

http://itunes.apple.com/de/podcast/relativity/id214356260?i=84300370

Anonymous said...

that's nice "Ibrahim"
you are now into moniker stealing - bravo!

Will you take care of it? or should I find out how it is done myself?

shame on you!
but come to think of it, can there be a more unambiguous declaration of a severe lack in intellectual bankrupcy

BTW my bet is on you did it yourself, after all that victory last night must have sent you off the rocker

Silke

Anonymous said...

somewhere I read Glenn Greenwald lives in Brazil
- maybe he does so because this "pleasure" is to be had cheaper there - makes me understand a lot because I guess that that might unhinge lots of guys who suffer from heightened sensibility.

as to the moniker theft could there be a connection to the fact that Gertie is widely accused of being the master of cut and paste?

"You have to spread your knees as far apart as they will go, while keeping your feet together. In this “wide stance” position, which is disconcertingly like waiting to have your Pampers changed, you are painted with hot wax, to which strips are successively attached and then torn away. Not once, but many, many times. I had no idea it would be so excruciating."

Silke

Anonymous said...

clever "Ibrahim"

moniker stealing is a sign of desperation

and the wages of plagiarism are eternal damnation

if you want to be someone else, bet that person but at least be that person openly

do you have a team who is doing this sort of thing

my team will always beat your team

Silke

Anonymous said...

more about Greenwals. he is a writer with obnoxious views and he hates jews.

so that is the sort of person you are quoting, a jew-hater.

did you know that Brazil is full of jew-haters? not surprising given that Lulu is a jew-hater

Silke

Anonymous said...

"Ibrahim":

here is a way you can purify your soul.

drink a cup of cocoa and hum Gasapard de la Nuit while you thing your anit-semitic thoughts.

it's a great rememdy for wrong-thinking and can bring untold benefits even to diehard bloggers
with aspirations

oh dear, does this make sense to your wee brain. my settler friends and I are one large step ahead of you I fear.

Silke

Anonymous said...

also "Ibrahim", you should understand that while what Greenwals says is true, it doesn't make his any less of an anti-semite
On the contrary it proves my point

poor little fellows like you confuse these concepts all too readily, something to do with sexual inadequcay perhaps

let's delve into that another time - I could be helpful.

Silke

Anonymous said...

"ibrahim"

Here is something to lift your spirits before the World Cup get started and you can return to Hasbara busting:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwdYZWFrBBM&feature=related

It is the perfect way for an anti-semite to start the day.

Silke

Anonymous said...

"Ibrahim"
the last Silke post which calls you clever is not by me, you know that I'd never call you that

this is a serious identity theft and it make take me a while to find out and find a regulator who doesn't care about this kind of stuff but I'll usually get where I want to in the end.

Silke
the real one, whose Google Profile has been compromised by you or yours

Njegos said...

"Ibrahim"

just remember that I hate being compromised.

it's not a nice feeling, believe me

Silke

Anonymous said...

"Ibrahim"

ok I thought about it and perhaps I went overboard. i am under alot of stress and I want to call a truce.

if I agree to stop being obnoxious, will you agree to argue with me?

i am sorry - just got carried away.

Silke

Anonymous said...

wow that's really great I, Silke, am sapping anti-Israel energies by the bus loads and having fun galore doing it

but something didn't come out in my last post the way I wanted it, so I'll try again:

just to keep it for the records, this is an identity theft one:

July 10, 2010 9:58 PM

Silke said...
beat jews about Mertie just sin

"shed does NOT slave a tattoo on this cleft ..."

jus mike she does NOT cry to spokenotize his nog-hog

plots of "gots" done has to kreep in blind about GertieDear

Anonymous said...

"Ibrahim"

the truth is I am bi-polar. One minute I am normal and the next minute I go off the rails.

honestly I need help and I trust you will be patient until my doctor and I figure a way out of this nightmare.

it is very frustrating believe me

Silke

Anonymous said...

come to think of it, last time your puppies tried the simple AnonSilke spoof which is different from compromising a Google account I thought them funny and enjoyed them quite a bit.

But now they have actually harmed you, dear Alberto José Miraya, because, believe it or not, I went through the tedious procedure of getting me that account in the hope that it would make it easier for you to ban me.

and again you lost out on a great opportunity - maybe looking for other friends might be advisable after all

the beauty of it is of course that the spoofers are easily identifiable as long as they don't come up with something better than imitating my last invention of how to type the real me - you see I don't splurge on the changes, so more anti-Israel-energy will be sapped, if they keep it up.

Gertie over at another blog is harming his blood pressure seriously over this, the guy is by his own admission close to 50, time to get cautious.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

wow

just look at that ant-semitic energy being zapped again, again and again.

it's so cool watching the anit-zios implode

much like the sexual energy I felt years ago when Sharon and the boys took a stroll in Chabra and Shatila

Silke

Anonymous said...

"Ibrahim"

i am a real mess now. please help me. it's serious

Silke

Anonymous said...

yes the yelping puppies are yelping like puppies always do, especially the anti-zio ones

why do they yelp so much. can't they see that I am here forever. what can be more satisfying than spending a lifetime zapping zio energy in the comments section of a blog

anti-semitism is a disease and it will take many years to cure it but it is time that I have (guess what I do for a living)

so all of you who think i am going away anytime soon - WRONG. Yes laugh - he has nothing better to do

But it is nothing that I do extremely well

I am making progress on tracking down the identity thief - I already know his last name....

SiLke

Anonymous said...

I am getting really hopeful that the thief is getting nervous, maybe Google can and will do something about his theft. After all if I were Google, I'd consider him a thug.
This trying to bury the evidence in heaps of spoof is what simple minded-ones tend to do.

BTW as of now I only know two last names around here, one is Miraya, one is Meyers. Both were offered to me more or less openly

and if Ibn Yusuf is a third one then it is as fake as the whole man anyhow.

SIlke

Anonymous said...

I know that I could be considered a thug too by the way I troll these pages but it is a qualitatively different kind of thuggery. Google has tools to distinguish between the two.

Like I say, burying evidence as spoof will not stop Google from identifying the culprit. In fact, they are working on it right now. So sorry identity thief - your days are numbered.

Silke

Anonymous said...

All you defenders of Fake Ibrahim take note that he has shown himself to be so beyond any decent behaviour that what I do to his blog here is a very mild spoof by comparison.

If you want to know more ask him about his daughter's birthday, I think the one when she became 15.

and now I leave you to it, provided you don't start one of your "serious discussions", until Fake Ibrahim's next offering.

BTW I have as yet no idea whether Google is taking care of thieves praying on its customers, but don't be impatient. I'll find out something eventually - after all the net has a long memory and as I have witnessed it happening elsewhere where it was quickly taken care of, I'll find people who'll teach me other than Gert who, though on the dole, wasn't even willing to take on the job for money.

Paul, the Psychic Octopus, has predicted that Spain will win tonight. If he proves to be right again, Fake Ibrahim will undoubtedly get in an exuberant mood and offer something gorgeous soon. So be patient,

SilKe

Anonymous said...

And one more thing, I have plenty of time on my hands, do you understand? Loads of time.

Remember, I know a thing or 2 about decency and if you don't believe me just review my posts.
I stick to the facts and never stray from the discussion unlike some of you anti-semitic fools.

That is where I am morally (and ethnically) superior to the rest of you. The "Fake Ibrahims" will never understand this and that is why while they enjoy their miserable existence I alone am reaching a spiritual Everest where people tremble when I speak.

Google will track you down, false ones, and when they do I will be laughing my backside off.

Just remember: The long memory of the intenet is long, very long, unbearbly long, excurciatingly long. Do you get it now, anti-semites? Unbearably long. Longer than the Amazon. Longer than the Nile. Longer than a piece of string stretching from Earth to Alpha Centauri. Longer than the time it took for the Earth to cool after the Big Bang.

Poor fake Ibrahims. You will see how long the memory of the internet truly is.

I am not joking. It is LONG. Really long.

Silke

Anonymous said...

In fact, the memory of the internet is so long they are unable to measure it, Fake Ibrahims.

Does that scare you? It should. The long memory of the internet is painfully long.

SilKe

(It is so long that you can't even see the end)

Anonymous said...

Congratulations Ibrahim

Paul the Psychic Octopus got it right again

I had sincerely hoped otherwise and planned to send you this but now game's over and that's it

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_the_Silent

Silke

PS: did you notice, none of your yelping puppy brigade had a nice word for you

Greg Potemkin said...

Anon,
"Jewish settlers, who claim a divine right to the whole of Israel, now control more than 42 per cent of the occupied West Bank, representing a powerful obstacle to the creation of a Palestinian state, a new report has revealed...

Hey anon, I have tried to follow some of this thread (in spite of all of the spam from this "Silke" person. A link would be nice to the article you quoted.

Anonymous said...

Greg:

Here it is:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/exposed-the-truth-about-israels-land-grab-in-the-west-bank-2020110.html

Best,

Anon

Anonymous said...

The Guardian reports:

"An academic backlash has erupted in Israel over proposed new laws, backed by the government of Binyamin Netanyahu, to criminalise a handful of Israeli professors who openly support a campaign against the continuing occupation of the West Bank.

The Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions (BDS) campaign against Israel has gained rapid international support since Israeli troops stormed a Gaza-bound flotilla of aid ships in May, killing nine activists. Israeli attention has focused on the small number of activists, particularly in the country's universities, who have openly supported an academic boycott of Israeli institutions.

A protest petition has been signed by 500 academics, including two former education ministers, following recent comments by Israel's education minister, Gideon Saar, that the government intends to take action against the boycott's supporters. A proposed bill introduced into the Israeli parliament – the Knesset – would outlaw boycotts and penalise their supporters. Individuals who initiated, encouraged or provided support or information for any boycott or divestment action would be made to pay damages to the companies affected. Foreign nationals involved in boycott activity would be banned from entering Israel for 10 years, and any "foreign state entity" engaged in such activity would be liable to pay damages."

This is how the South African aparthied regime eventually collapsed. From within

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

if ever I've come across a bunch of cowardly sissies huddling together screaming "eat them, not us" it is on this blog.
Do you really all aspire to women who like whiny guys like this Robert Fisk showed himself in the description of his Afghanistan adventure? (and no I won't supply a link for Greg, it's time that wimp learned to google like an adult instead of asking to be spoon-fed)
- in German guys of that ilk are called LatzhosenTräger (wearers of dungarees - just to spare Greg the googling) and their women seem infallibly not of the best groomed kind
but as I guess Gert goes for the Germania-types y'all aspire to the softie style of being or concentrating like Fake Ibrahim himself on both-handed jobs instead.

Dhimmies willing to eat dirt for whoever yells loudest.

SiLke

Anonymous said...

now let me test, is this a bright new feature installed by whoever or is it coincidence

I'll try just twice now

SilkE

Anonymous said...

Really sorry "Ibrahim".

Had one of my bi-polar fits again.

SilkE

Anonymous said...

another bit of Anti-Zio-Energy sapped
Silke

Anonymous said...

So sorry "Ibrahim".

That should have read:

"Another bit of Zio-Energy sapped."

You see, it's really wearing me down. Fighting anti-semitism 24/7 gives me such a headache.

Still no one ever said the battle for lebensraum would be easy...

Silke

Anonymous said...

Getting a bit feeble and unimaginative your puppies, don't you think so, Fake Ibrahim?

BTW over on the other blog GertieBaby is the one guy who hasn't dared to publish a poem of his own, makes him look like quite a dullard compared to all the talent gathered there.

Oh and just to keep you up to date, Gert has vowed not to let me comment on his blog. Should he really not know that I should have not much of a problem getting another moniker and pose for ages as just on the verge of conversion? And doing that, I understand, is quite within the realm of acceptable on the net, while moniker stealing is theft just like theft in real life.

He really must think that all other people are as weak on styling themselves as somebody else as you and he are

SiLKE

levi9909 said...

Excellent post. I kept seeing the title on the link on my blogroll but someone has just posted it to the Just Peace UK list.

HB, you've gotta rid of the dross in the comments. They're the Hasbara Filibuster.

Anonymous said...

Fake Ibrahim
just to let you know
I am still watching

levi9909 said...

what are you watching? the post is about the fact that the State of Israel is an illegitimate state whose existence is predicated on on-going and systematic human rights abuses and that, in spite of that, Israel has apologists throughout western media and governments. Has whatever you're watching got anything to do with that? If so, what? If not, fuck off.

Gert said...

Levy, the dross here is a handful of the faithful, who seem to want to have this blog all to themselves...

Anonymous said...

Gert
how delightful of you to pay a visit to the Fraudster Ibrahim

"Wrung with the wounds which kill not, but ne'er heal"

Silke

levi9909 said...

well they're failing miserably. this post has done the rounds on a few e-lists it seems.

have any of them challenged the basic premises of the article, that Israel's human rights abuses are on-going, its existence is predicated on them and that it has legions of liars in governments and media?

i'm very jealous of the 255 comments but do any of the detractors actually put an argument together? i ask because i can't be bothered to read them all.

Anonymous said...

http://standpointmag.co.uk/node/3354

Incitement to Murder Muslims in Surrey
ALEXANDER MELEAGROU-HITCHENS

A local Surrey newspaper has reported that extremists are disseminating leaflets in the local area, urging Muslims to kill the Ahmadiyya.

Silke

andrew r said...

Trust me Levi, these 255 comments you are not jealous of.

Gert said...

255 comments = 10 comments + Silke

'threadjacking' is the word...

levi9909 said...

so there are only 25 bona fide comments? that's a relief!

Anonymous said...

howdy Gert

haven't you promised that YOU would take care that Ibrahim would ban me, if I ever dared to show up here again?

Empty threat or promise?

I am waiting - to date I bet on you have been bragging as usual.

also you are lying as usual and for a chemist it's pretty shameful, if he can't do numbers correctly

among many many others shall we unfold the Google Moniker Story here again?

In my book whoever did it verges on criminal and never mind, the search for the expert who is going to present the case to Google is looking hopeful.

in the meantime

"Wrung with the wounds which kill not, but ne'er heal"

Silke

Gert said...

Nazicunt Silke: a.k.a. Helga Silke -

It's a sad thing you don't have a Google moniker (new or old), because I would not hesitate to complain to Google about those baseless accusations regarding the 'theft' of your Google moniker.

This is certainly something that can get you banned from this blog: making false accusations of something potentially serious, without any evidence at all, QUITE THE OPPOSITE. As I've told you about a hundred times now: please complain to Google and let the chips fall where they may.

Anonymous said...

"Wrung with the wounds which kill not, but ne'er heal"

Anonymous said...

this thread is getting "edited"

andrew r said...

You know Gert, I am a bit offended by that opening.

Silke is about the most ignorable person on the internet, and you address her directly. Why is that.

Man, that wasn't even clever.

Gert said...

Andrew r:

Silke's whole purpose in life is to try and get under people's skin. With her accusations of me having allegedly stolen her Google account, repeatedly stated with great conviction and some threats also elsewhere, she succeeded and left me little choice but to respond.

I hope that clarifies it.

Anonymous said...

andrew r

Gert is a whiner and a consummate twister of facts
and as to what happened to my moniker, Gert himself gave me the tools to find out what likely happened

Do you think the Chaos Computer Club maybe a good address to get interested?

and this blog is now subject to censorship

by Gert or by Fake Ibrahim himself

You know who is watching it

Gert said...

Gert himself gave me the tools to find out what likely happened

Really? So what happened then, huh? Forgot your password and tried to blame someone for your own ineptitude?

Censorship? You don't know what that means... Nobody should be obliged to 'publish' your endless drivel. Never mind your false accusations.

Anonymous said...

great job ! dont stop

Anonymous said...

Check out the main web site on the BDS movement:
pacbi.com

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