Wednesday, February 24, 2010

Israeli Jewish racism (update 2): Disposable citizens

Every few years an Israeli Jewish politician floats a test balloon. He puts forward the idea that the areas where the Arab citizens of Israel live should be transfered --complete with the citizens-- to the future Palestinian state in exchange for Jewish settlement blocks in the West Bank. Those areas are highly fertile lands in comparison with the alternative option for a territorial swap (an empty zone in the Negev); but to paraphrase Golda Meir, they hate the Arabs more than they love the land.

Formerly, it was extremist politicians that formulated the proposal. In the latest iteration, however, it was the Deputy Foreign Minister, the ineffable Danny Ayalon, who articulated it. As Ynet reports:

"Israeli Arabs will not lose anything by joining the Palestinian state. Instead of giving the Palestinians empty land in the Negev, we are offering them land full of residents, who will not have to leave their homes," said Deputy Foreign Minister Daniel Ayalon in an interview to London-based al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper published on Saturday.

Upon prompting from the reporter, Ayalon explained the philosophy behind the proposal:

When asked if he was referring to the concentration of Arab towns and villages known as the Triangle region, he said: "Yes. Why not? If the Arabs in Israel say they are proud of being Palestinian, why shouldn't they be proud of being part of the Palestinian state?

Please someone explain to Ayalon that if people who are proud of an identity had the duty to become part of the place where that identity is majoritarian, all Mormons around the world should relocate to Utah and, more to the point, all Jews around the world should emigrate to Israel. While I'm sure Ayalon would be delighted to see Argentinian Jews make aliyah en masse, I'm not so certain he would be happy with American Jews taking the same step. A Lobby-less Israel is as nightmarish a prospect as one full of returning Palestinian refugees.

By the way, I wonder what identity the Deputy FM thinks Israeli Arabs should be proud of. The country does not recognize an Israeli nationality; instead, it divides its citizens into up to six different national groups which have little in common. Hebrew could be an agglutinating factor, as is the case in other small countries like Estonia where the language defines the nation; but again, speaking the language means nothing to the State, to the point that lawmaker Ahmed Tibi, a fluent Hebrew speaker, will always be irrelevant because he's an Arab, while Avigdor Lieberman, a terrible Hebrew speaker, is the Foreign Minister.

Back on topic, what are the prospects for Ayalon's idea of disposing of Israeli Arabs? Not very bright indeed. The Arabs, plus the Ashkenazim who like to defend the fiction that Israel holds the moral high ground on blogs, constitute a solid majority that prevents (for the time being, at least) the project from bearing fruit. But if the project can't succeed, why does he wave it in the air?

When you're the majority and want to opress a minority, the easiest way is to let them know that their existence is provisional in the territory that you control. Israeli Arabs see that what was once the discourse of the most marginal elements in the society has now become mainstream; that what was once whispered is now unabashedly shouted; that the State is closing in on them with a growing arsenal of proposals to restrict their private property rights, to curtail their freedom of speech and conscience and even to "encourage" their emigration. It matters little that the projects are not enacted. The objective is that with each round of threats the Arabs will have to be thankful that the State deigned not to expel them this time.

Because this is not about ethnic cleansing; this is not about expulsion. This is about dhimmitude. This is about making sure that disposable citizens remain in that category.

52 comments:

Ernie Halfdram said...

That’s an interesting interpretation. I’ve always assumed that Lieberman was perfectly in earnest about transferring the Little Triangle and other areas with concentrations of Palestinians to the putative Palestinian state (e.g. http://bureauofcounterpropaganda.blogspot.com/2007/10/race-to-horizon.html). Although Livni expresses herself slightly more circumspectly with her reference to the Palestinian state satisfying all Palestinians’ ‘national aspirations’ (or words to that effect), I gathered she meant it, as well. Indeed, I still think that what just about all Zionists really want is all of Palestine with as few Palestinians as possible. If Palestine is ever partitioned, I still reckon transferring Palestinian areas within Israel Proper will be part of the land swap. But since I don’t foresee the interminable Peace Process reaching a resolution any time in the foreseeable future, I suspect you are right that for the time being, these threats serve more as a mechanism of social control than anything else.

Hija del Zion said...

Zionism and Israel is fact and all 300 mil arabs can only shampooning themselves about it

Gert said...

Ibrahim:

What does 'Hija del Zion' mean? It's not 'Israel uber alles' in Dago, is it?

Anonymous said...

It's Spanish for "Daughter of Zion"; maybe a Hispanic Christian Zionist or a Sephardic woman?

- Strelnikov

Anonymous said...

Nice use of the Nazi slur against Israel, Gert. You do know that's antisemitic, right? I mean unless you're stupid or you're intentionally insulting Jews by comparing them to the murderers of their grandparents. Antisemitic scum like you have no place in civilized debates about the I/P conflict.

Anonymous said...

Hija del Zion is right: the antisemitic wet dream that Israel will crumble is a fantasy. It's far more likely at this point that Israel's neighbors like Syria, Jordan and Lebanon break apart than the Zionist dream dies. In fact, we need simply wait long enough for the Arab states to fail. Soon enough there will be a Palestinian state in Jordan. We might be able to pick up some more territory -- which is rightfully ours anyway -- in Lebanon.

Gert said...

Anon:

"We might be able to pick up some more territory -- which is rightfully ours anyway -- in Lebanon."

More 'conquest' than 'conflict' then. See why some of us use the term 'Israel uber alles'? It's a shame you post anonymously, you'd be a G-dsend to me with regards to those Zios who deny Zionism is an expansionist project...

andrew r said...

Anon, if Gert is so anti-semitic, how come as a Jew I don't feel offended by anything he says? And anti-semitism is the second most offensive thing to me, after al-nakba denial.

andrew r said...

Also, if comparing Israel to Germany is anti-semitic, say hello to Tommy "I can see my grandmother down there" Lapid, Matan "They will bring upon themselves a bigger shoah" Vilnai and Avram "Israel may soon pass the equivalent of the Nuremburg laws" Burg, all Knesset members.

Anonymous said...

Andrew R. you are clearly not a Jew if you think "Naqba-denial" is the most offensive thing, even more than antisemitism. Probably a half-Jew.

Ernie Halfdram said...

Mazel tov on your new lot of idiot trolls, Ibrahim. You'd think if they didin't want to be compared to nazis, they'd make an effort to eschew the Untermenschen, Lebensraun, and Mischling rhetoric!

Gert said...

Come on Andrew r, you know very well that 'some of my best friends are Jews' doesn't count as a defence, only swearing blind allegiance to the Zionist Entity still works (even if one is an actual antisemite). Besides, our resident Officer for 'Race' Hygiene has decided you're not Jewish anyway, so there.

It shouldn't matter of course but I'm always pleased to meet Jews who say 'not in my name'. The numbers are growing and its the only thing that brings a little hope.

Nothing racist about Zionism, oh no!

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Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf said...

Actually, in Spanish it would be Hija de Sión, so that this person is not Hispanic, and I'm not sure about their gender either.

As for our anonymous contributor, he may have a point, although for different reasons than he cites. He suggests that Andrew may not bring up his Jewishness because he's not Jewish enough (although he doesn't make clear what proportion of chosen blood would enable him to speak). I for my part believe no one should bring up their Jewishness (whatever the percentage) to justify their anti-Zionism or any other position they may take on Jewish or Israeli related issues. This is playing into the hands of those who seek to scare us with the threat of "outing" us as antisemites.

No one should apologize for not buying into theories of wordlwide antisemitic conspiracies. Insane people should not be allowed to blackmail us just because they have a word to slur us with.

Anonymous said...

The gross antisemitism of the idiot goyim who inhabit this website is proven by the casual at outrageous use of such terms as "dhimmitude" -- the second class status of Jews in the Islamic world for centuries -- or "Nazis" to describe us. In other words, you turn the tables using the goyishe (i.e. Arab/European) antisemitic terms and project them on the Jews.

But this will not alleviate your own world's guilt for the murder of 2 million Jewish children. And this is why Israelis will never stoop to listen to your idiotic ranting.

Anonymous said...

The gross antisemitism of the idiot goyim who inhabit this website is proven by the casual at outrageous use of such terms as "dhimmitude" -- the second class status of Jews in the Islamic world for centuries -- or "Nazis" to describe us. In other words, you turn the tables using the goyishe (i.e. Arab/European) antisemitic terms and project them on the Jews.

But this will not alleviate your own world's guilt for the murder of 2 million Jewish children. And this is why Israelis will never stoop to listen to your idiotic ranting.

Ernie Halfdram said...

Obviously, opposing Zionism is the legitimate business of all principled antiracists and I used to have reservations about Jews organising and speaking explicitly as Jews against the racist atrocity perpetrated in our name. But I've come around to a position that recognises that Israel's claim to act on our behalf conveys a special responsibility to deny that, as Jews. The way Mike Marqusee interprets Hillel's famous maxim, from which he draws the title of his book, 'If I am not for myself, who will be for me?' is 'If I don't speak up on my own behalf, who's going to purport to represent me?'.

andrew r said...

What Ernie said. I don't think I mentioned being Jewish on this blog until last April and that was after posting for a few months. It's not about saying, "look at me, I'm a Jew who doesn't like Zionism," it's about, "Look, some Jews don't buy into the selling points of Zionism."

If no one opposes Zionism as a Jew, the BDS campaign will surely go on without them. Yet Zionism will remain a national liberation movement for the emancipation of the Jewish people and equality with other nations (Jabotinsky and Hitler both employed that chimera). To paraphrase Ben-Gurion, I'll speak against Zionism as if there's no anti-semitism and speak against anti-semitism as if there's no Zionism. When I'm not highlighting the link between the two, at least.

Anonymous said...

Andrew, you are no more Jewish than Gert is. That's clear from your perspective on everything.

Ernie, you're priorities are deeply twisted and misplaced. Jewish "racism" is such an infinitesimal problem in the world compared to the great dangers of antisemitism that threaten the very existence of the Jews (nevermind all the other deadly forms of racism out there) that to even worry about it is to fall straight into the antisemite's trap. Your number one concern as a Jew should be fighting truly dangerous forms of racism and antisemitism -- not Israel!

andrew r said...

Anon, if being Jewish required supporting a state based on perpetual warfare and social engineering, I'd renounce that identity before any armchair excommunication. There is nothing "Jewish" about Zionism. It's a 19th century racist European ideology that belongs back where it came from.

Yitzchak Goodman said...

There is nothing "Jewish" about Zionism. It's a 19th century racist European ideology that belongs back where it came from.

So you're renouncing solidarity with five million of your fellow Jews in the name of rejecting the intellectual legacy of 19th Century Europe? (Including Marxism?) Isn't that a little eccentric? So let us imagine a guy named Chaim who was born in Tel Aviv. His parents were also born in Israel, but one set of grandparents was born in the Ukraine and one set in Morocco. What is your message for Chaim? What is your relationship to his interests and well-being?

Ernie Halfdram said...

If Chaim is Jewish, as his name suggests, and born in Tel Aviv of sabra parents and Ashkenazi grandparents, it's safe to assume that he is not suffering any form of national oppression as a member of a marginalised or ostracised group. So what I need to know about him is how he is oppressed. Is he underpaid? Subjected to harrassment at work? If he is himself the employer who is underpaying and harrassing staff, why would I have any solidarity with him at all? If it were strictly on a racial basis, then I would be joining Yitzchak among the ranks of the racists, wouldn't I?

The ADL, the CST, and rest of the antisemitism industry completely trivialise antisemitism. They assiduously count up every graffito critical of Israel as if it were some kind of threat. The number of actual racially motivated assaults against Jews in the US and Britain, or anywhere, is downright negligible. And as the CST data show, the single most significant contributing factor to an increase in allegedly antisemitic incidents is an escalation of Israel's oppression of Palestinians.

It is a joke that 99% of American Jews regard antisemitism as a problem, 56% a very serious problem. The only explanation is profound narcissism with a tendency to paranoia.

Interestingly, in Defamation, the ADL's Abe Foxman tells Yoav Shamir that he deliberately inculcates the antisemitic notion that Jews wield vast power and influence in pursuit of his own unscrupulous aims.

In contrast, in these enlightened western societies, people who 'look Muslim' or have Muslim sounding names are actually discriminated against in employment, housing, even service in shops. And of course in the 'fledgeling democracies' the US has been kind enough to establish in Iraq and Afghanistan, as well as in Pakistan, slaughter of Muslims is routine.

Yitzchak Goodman said...

If it were strictly on a racial basis, then I would be joining Yitzchak among the ranks of the racists, wouldn't I?

So the only reasons you can think of that Jews might identify with other Jews are oppression and racism? Amazing.

Ernie Halfdram said...

Make my day! What did I miss?

Yitzchak Goodman said...

Make my day! What did I miss?

Purim. Daf Yomi (We just finished Bava Basra and started Sanhedrin.) Pesach (which is now a month away). The Shema. Jewish friends and family. Any other shared experience, destiny, or common ties you like. Schools, Summer camps, Ma'amad Har Sinai.

andrew r said...

Yitzchak - I'm not against Zionism because it's anachronistic. That was only to emphasize it's not a 2000 year-old dream. Since you mention it, I think socialism is best combined with other dissident ideologies because overthrowing finance capital and seizing control of production by the workers isn't enough. I'm not even sure we can have production without exploitation. And Marxism postulates capitalism was necessary for the development of socialism. As Ward Churchill roughly put it, "I don't like any school of thought that views me as a necessary sacrifice."

Although I'm sure anti-zios are in the minority among Jews, you should know better than me the many schisms and conflicts within Judaism. I understand how people view Israel: it protects the Jewish people from annihilation and persecution. I see that as an illusion and can't sympathize with anyone who thinks an armed Jewish state is worth oppressing another people.

When the Israeli Zionists popularly decide to rectify the injustices they've committed against the Muslim, Christian and yes, non-Zionist Jewish peoples of the Levant, I'll be in solidarity. There's no reason they can't do this.

Ernie Halfdram said...

I rest my case. BTW, where did you come by the impression I was superstitious?

Yitzchak Goodman said...

That was only to emphasize it's not a 2000 year-old dream.

The gathering of the dispersed of the People of Israel to the Land of Israel is certainly "a 2000 year-old dream." The Zionists tried to give that a secular meaning but with only mixed results.

Although I'm sure anti-zios are in the minority among Jews, you should know better than me the many schisms and conflicts within Judaism.

There are no "schisms" that would stop Jews from feeling enough solidarity with other Jews to support Israel for the most part, the wellbeing of the people if not the form of government or policies of the government. The Satmars and other groups are anti-Zionist, but they aren't the Neturei Karta.

When the Israeli Zionists popularly decide to rectify the injustices they've committed against the Muslim, Christian and yes, non-Zionist Jewish peoples of the Levant, I'll be in solidarity.

Israel doesn't owe anyone any apologies for the 1948 and 1967 wars and the largest other developments in the conflict. Some sort of exchange of monetary compensation is fine with me, as long as Jews who lost property are also compensated. They might be due more than the Palestinians, but who knows. Ortherwise, settling the conflict should be based on the virtue of practicality.

Gert said...

Yitzchak:

"There are no "schisms" that would stop Jews from feeling enough solidarity with other Jews to support Israel for the most part, the wellbeing of the people if not the form of government or policies of the government."

Hmm... Jewry seems to have a long and diverse history of dissent and resistance (well outside the NK context too) to Zionism (I've decent text on that, if you like).

Aren't you advocating a form of tribalism that can't even recognise wrongdoing by members of the tribe, merely because they're members of the tribe? If a Jew is found to be a murderer, is he less of a murderer in your eyes just because he's Jewish? Would your sister be less of a murderess (assuming it was proved to be so) because she's your sister?

Gert said...

As regards the 'Arab Jewish refugees', if the number of 'nearly a million' that's bandied around in the Ziosphere were anywhere near correct, Israel would probably be two or three million stronger than it is today and Mizrahi Jews might well have become be the dominant group. Also, Israel would be on the case like a rash, trying to get compensation, in reality they've quietly dropped these claims for reasons outlined here in this piece by Yehouda Shenhav. Very worth reading, IMHO.

Gert said...

That reminds me of the expression: '[early] Zionists don't believe in G-d but they believe G-d gave them Israel'. LOL.

Anonymous said...

"Also, Israel would be on the case like a rash, trying to get compensation"

= Jews are a disease + love money

Classic antisemitism masquerading as anti-Zionism. Except that the racist hatred is so transparent that the mask falls away merely by pointing out the obvious.

Which is why websites like these are so useful to visit -- as the good book says "know thine enemy".

Gert said...

Anonymous:

"= Jews are a disease + love money"

For that you'd be very deserving of a 'fuck you too!' but I'll keep it civil.

For one, Jews who were displaced in WW II or indeed from Arab countries SHOULD IMHO opinion deserve compensation.

Secondly, other nations would claim the same.

Thirdly, who wrote in this thread:

"Some sort of exchange of monetary compensation is fine with me, as long as Jews who lost property are also compensated. They might be due more than the Palestinians, but who knows. Ortherwise, settling the conflict should be based on the virtue of practicality."

You're a paranoid twit. You'd find antisemitism in an empty cookie jar, without trying too hard. Stop trolling this blog.

Anonymous said...

How much Jewish money did your family make off with during the Holocaust, Gert?

None?! Really? How is it that all the european goyim claim that? Hm. I wonder where all the assets belonging to 6 million people disappeared to in 5 years...? And now the gentiles want US to compensate THEM!

C-H-U-T-Z-P-A-H

Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf said...

"Also, Israel would be on the case like a rash, trying to get compensation"

= Jews are a disease + love money


I'm bored of these professional victims of antisemitism who essentially claim that if an accusation against Israel remotely resembles an accusation that was once wrongly made against the Jews, then it's a blood libel.

The word "rash" is used metaphorically here, and the State of Israel, not the Jews, does love money, even if it has to swindle its own Holocaust survivor citizens to get it.

Ibrahim Ibn Yusuf said...

Ernie's identification with Judaism continues to puzzle me.

I think I could identify with a people with whose tenets or behavior I don't agree if membership in that group were not itself defined by objectionable parameters.

For instance, I hold Spanish citizenship together with my native Argentinian one, and I could conceivably identify as a Spaniard even if I don't like the way they treat Dominicans. Why? Because you become Spanish by living long enough in Spain and adopting their language and certain very general norms of behavior. True, you have to swear allegiance to a king, but it's purely formal, and once you've done so you can proceed to repudiate monarchy and no one will strip you of your citizenship.

Same thing with, say, Australian peoplehood. You may have to get used to driving on the left and spelling arse instead of ass, but you're not giving up anything basic.

In the case of the Jewish people, however, the parameters that define membership are unacceptable to a progressive mind. You're basically Jewish through genealogy, which is racist. Or else you can become a Jew by adopting their superstitions, which is submitting yourself to an absurd system of beliefs. And once you've converted, you're expected to follow those ridiculous customs, unlike genetic Jews who can be atheists if they so wish.

To paraphrase Groucho Marx, I would never accept membership in a group that would reject me if I hadn't been born into it.

Ernie Halfdram said...

I've never identified with Judaism, the religion, since I was 8. But I gather you're conflating the religion with the race, which I consider quite a dangerous thing to do if your objective is to defeat hasbara. This is not, I hasten to add, because there is no connection. It's not contentious that the reason the racists and, if there's a difference, the Jewish chauvinists, call me a Jew is that my ancestors practiced the religion. The point is not how I came to be a Jew, it's that the racists consider me a Jew. I could deny that I'm a Jew, as the execrable racist holocaust denier Gilad Atzmon does, but that wouldn’t stop the next drunk antisemite I come across from bashing me up or the State of Israel from trying to implicate me in their racist project. Furthermore, as I said, the fact that Israel does try to implicate me imposes the responsibility to undermine them as best I can. You’re absolutely right to identify membership on the basis of genealogy as racist and it’s the racists who determine who belongs to a race and who doesn’t. I could move to Lajamanu or somewhere, speak Warlpiri, and whatnot, but I’d still be white. It’s not up to me. Bear in mind that conversion only confers membership in the religion, not the race.

Equating Jews with actual nation states is another hasbara trick that I consider hazardous. I’m not buying in to an argument about whether The Jews constitute a ‘nation’, as it just depends on how you define nation. But Jews are unequivocally not a nation state – there is no Jewish citizenship.

Yitzchak Goodman said...

Hmm... Jewry seems to have a long and diverse history of dissent and resistance (well outside the NK context too) to Zionism (I've decent text on that, if you like).

Elmer Berger or someone like that? Spare me.

Would your sister be less of a murderess (assuming it was proved to be so) because she's your sister?

No, but it isn't bad to advocate for one's sister's interests or feel a special bond with her if she's a normal person. I don't have a sister. If you have one, I hope you're nice to her.

Christian said...

"Disposable citizens" is good, but "superfluous young men" (as recently coined by a zionist commentator to characterize Israel's victims) is undoubtely better. Which incedentally proves that Jewish supremacism could be justified after all, at least when referred to a certain sense of humour...

Gert said...

Yitzchak:

No, not Elmer Berger.

Explaining the Long — and Largely Untold — History of Jewish Opposition to Zionism by Allan C. Brownfeld. Published by the ACJ.

I don't proclaim to be an expert on the matter but found it informative.

Yitzchak Goodman said...

"superfluous young men" (as recently coined by a zionist commentator to characterize Israel's victims) is undoubtely better.

The term "superfluous young men" was used by Martin Kramer to characterize the position in Gaza society of young men likely to be recruited as suicide bombers.

Yitzchak Goodman said...

Published by the ACJ.

Berger was the original executive director and leading figure of the ACJ. Give me some credit for knowing what was coming.

Gert said...

Yitzchak:

'Superfluous young men'. Imagine Kramer had used such a term on poor African Americans from large families... Mind you, considerable support from WASPish Conservative circles wouldn't have been out of the question...

Kramer, like any old Zionist, completely disregards the causes of 'radicalisation' (because that would require being critical of Israel and that cannot be expected from a tribalist racist - and general imbecile - like Kramer.) And so he proposes pre-emptive culling. A Nazi could have thought of it. What it also proves is that racism towards Muslims/Arabs is totally socially acceptable in the Zionist discourse but we already knew that.

As regards the AJC piece, that's quite a critique you've got there. I'll have to assume that in your world Jews all think alike regarding Zionism, due to that 'Zionism gene'.

Anonymous said...

"professional victims"

85 members of my extended family were murdered 70 years ago by goyim like you and Gert, you turd.

Anonymous said...

Some grim news for you Israel-haters to start your day with!

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/12/opinion/12brooks.html?em

Yitzchak Goodman said...

And so he proposes pre-emptive culling.

Look up the word "culling" in the dictionary.

that's quite a critique you've got there.

I didn't offer a critique. You really should work on your reading comprehension. Your comments on Kramer show that also.

Gert said...

Yitzchak:

You may want to learn to read inter alea a bit...

andrew r said...

A response to Yitzchak. I sat on this longer than intended.

There are no "schisms" that would stop Jews from feeling enough solidarity with other Jews to support Israel for the most part, the wellbeing of the people if not the form of government or policies of the government.

Thing is, I don't believe the well-being of Jews is a concern of Zionism at all. And I called Zionism a European ideology for a reason: It's a proto-fascist ideology in that it's the belief of an ancient community embodied in a certain race which must reclaim its former stature. It's the Jewish nation, not my fellow Jews, I must be concerned with.

The leaders who organized the farm collectives and land purchases like Arthur Ruppin were not concerned with the well-being of their fellow Jews, per se, they were concerned with Jews who already had enough well-being to enact kibush ha'avodah (the conquest of labor). And that's putting it mildly. Their worldview incorporated the trendy social science called eugenics. They saw Orthodox, Mizrachim and Sephardim as of low "moral standing," only fit for unskilled labor and wanted the land populated with good Menschmaterial - and only the cream of this crop. Ruppin believed the best of the olim would show themselves as the biological descendants of the ancient Hebrews.

Ironically, the most dangerous task of Zionism today, settling the West Bank, is largely left to Middle Eastern and African Jews who can't afford to live anywhere in the 1949 armistice line. From all this I infer it's only due to the dearth of olim from the United States that Israel ever took in so many Jews deemed unfit by the early JNF and WZO figures. Zionism is white supremacy that had to make a few emergency adjustments along the way. Every racially-based state had to deviate somewhat.

While I don't support terrorism against Israelis, Israeli society is set up to diffuse some of that burden onto non-European Jews by forcing them to live in border towns and settlements. Mizrachim soldiers are sent into battle first. If I am concerned for the well-being of other Jews, Zionism is not a framework.

Israel doesn't owe anyone any apologies for the 1948 and 1967 wars and the largest other developments in the conflict.

Like Britain doesn't owe any apologies for its aggression against India, South Africa and Egypt and the USA doesn't owe anything for the Indian wars or the Hawaii invasion. Might makes right.

Anonymous said...

Andrew, it's good to know that you are concerned with the well being and safety of fellow Jews, not in the promotion of an 18th century European fad.

Six million Jews are now in the land. Let's deal with that reality, instead of ascribing value judgments on the naive aspirations of Jewish dreamers from the turn of the last century, or the difficult decisions made in the heat of struggle by those who made those dreams a reality.

We are all men of our times. Our generation, you and I, have a responsibility to ensure an outcome that preserves life, on all sides.

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